Mads Mikkelsen, he can play anything


Riders of Justice interview

Director, Anders Thomas Jensen and lead actor, Mads Mikkelsen


By © Jane Freebury

It’s quite the transformation. For his role in Riders of Justice as a flinty military officer returned from Afghanistan, Mads Mikkelsen had his head shaved and grew a bushman’s beard. With the floppy brown hair gone and the distinctive cheekbones disappeared from view, audiences will do a double take of the famous Danish actor, who certainly looks the seasoned soldier but nothing like his familiar self.

The beard was real because Mikkelsen hates fakes that get in the way and can come loose. “With that look it was easier to persuade a room that you might kill them if you look like that than if you look like a member of the Beatles, right?”

Like many films, Riders of Justice has been delayed many times. Just after a media roundtable that that I took part in early this year, interviewing Mikkelsen and the film’s director, Anders Thomas Jensen, the pandemic struck again.

On that discussion, Mikkelsen used audio only. The high cheekbones were hidden from view again, but the distinctive voice was there and the answers always considered and interesting.

Unfamiliar to his fans as the obsessive action guy who drives a Hollywood vigilante blockbuster

In Riders of Justice, Mikkelsen plays a character unfamiliar to his fans, a professional soldier Markus not entirely unlike the obsessive action guy who drives a Hollywood vigilante blockbuster. So, it was no surprise when one of the first questions from a panellist related to the film’s key theme. Why is the revenge movie such “a cinch”, such a lure for audiences? It was directed at the film’s director, Anders Thomas Jensen.

For Jensen the answer was easy. “It starts with a core feeling that everyone knows, an everyday feeling like the frustration of being held up for hours in heavy traffic that results in a feeling of grievance.” From little things, big things can grow. Getting stuck in traffic got things rolling for the Michael Douglas character in Falling Down.

Nicolaj Lie Kaas, Nicolas Bro, Lars Brygmann, and Mads Mikkelsen in Riders of Justice. Image courtesy Rialto

If Riders of Justice is a revenge movie it is also a madcap, dark comedy poking fun at the genre, offering some philosophy along the way on conspiracy theories that appear to underpin and seek to justify violent acts of revenge.

How did Jensen’s pitch work on Mikkelsen? “I just saw Markus as this macho man always knowing violence and just cracking on the inside,” the actor responds. “Like a man who tries to find logic in something in which there pretty much is none”.

Markus is in the field in Afghanistan when he hears that his wife has been killed in a train crash back home in Denmark, leaving his teenage daughter traumatised. It is a tragedy, inexplicable and senseless, for which it is impossible to find a perpetrator, but it causes Markus to martial his training and elevate his response to it to extreme levels. When a trio of hacker nerds approach him with their particular conspiracy theory accounting for the random, senseless accident, Markus leaps into action and the film leaps in turn into some hilarious comedy. Tinged with dark irony, of course.

Mad Mikkelsen and Anders Thomas Jensen first worked together on Jensen’s short film, Café Hector in the mid-1990s. Mikkelsen’s brother had a role but Mads crashed the set and got a part too. It was six years later that Mikkelsen appeared in front of international audiences in Open Hearts, the difficult story of what might seem like an inappropriate love affair. It was co-written by Susanne Bier and Anders Thomas Jensen.

Director Jensen, whose screen credits are mostly in screenwriting, has directed Mikkelsen five times. He is confident that his long-time friend and collaborator has nailed it with his portrait of a conflicted military commander suddenly confronted with the death of a loved one, to which he cannot respond in his usual way.

“He can play anything, Mads.”

Granted, the actor has seemed up for anything since he began combining work in the international screen industry with the Danish film industry where he started. The many genres of movie in which he has appeared include young adult fiction like the Fantastic Beasts films and Chaos Walking, big noisy Hollywood blockbusters and a turn in a James Bond. The riveting, agonizing, intimate Danish dramas like the recent Another Round, Michael Kohlhaas, The Hunt and A Royal Affair, have continued all along.

I ask if Mikkelsen has he been pushing himself to test his limits. “No, I respond to screenplays and characters that I believe in, with directors I believe in. Like most actors I try to make a scene intimate, a situation the audience can relate to, whatever the film, Fantastic Beasts or Another Round.”

He takes the discussion back to the Riders’ difficult themes of revenge and conspiracy, adding that “if there is no meaning, we will try to find it, to find something. The human race is always fascinated with where it cannot find meaning. Perhaps because if there’s no meaning, we don’t know why we’re here.”

It may not be possible for his character Markus, as a military commander, to resolve his deep hurt and anger. I say that he seems like a man with a very limited tool set for what he has just been served.

“Absolutely,” responds Mikkelsen. “He has learned from way back, from his father, definitely from the army, that he has to be the strongest man in the room. This is his biggest strength and his biggest weakness.”

Another journo asks whether Mikkelsen was interested in the study of a masculine character who found it easier to turn into an action hero than go into therapy. She mentioned that the actor has said he is resistant to the idea of therapy.

“I see a lot of him in me. …I’m not the kind of guy who needs to talk to people about what I’m thinking about.”

Uproarious, bleak humour, the hidden smile saying something that others are thinking

Some filmgoers may find the uproarious, bleak humour in Riders of Justice unsettling. So, what is it about the Danish sense of humour, that hidden smile about something taboo, the inappropriate jokes? Is it about saying what others are thinking, but too inhibited to express?

“I think that’s right. It’s a kind of humour you may also find in, say, Scotland and Australia.”

Jensen, the director, was impacted by a real-life tragedy himself, another event that made no sense. Early in the production of Riders of Justice, his teenage daughter died in a car accident, causing the filmmaker to fall into deep depression and suffer a nervous breakdown. It was, he says, the starting point for his movie.

“You can look to alcohol, to god, to pills… When you are angry and think that revenge is a meaningful way of regaining your life. That’s why I created this Markus character, facing PTSD, forced to face a life he’d been running away from.”

When asked what makes his lead actor so special, Jensen said he’s really good at picking up on other people’s psychology, at understanding why others behave the way they do. “Mads is good at so many things. Physically amazing, he can play comedy, and he’s a team player, the perfect actor.”

Then he pulled himself short with a light laugh, declaring he “wasn’t going to say any more nice things” about his friend and collaborator.  We all know he didn’t need to, and film audiences do too.

First published in the Canberra Times on 30 October 2021. Jane’s film reviews also appear on Rotten Tomatoes

At home with The Truth: interview with director Hirokazu Kore-ada

By © Jane Freebury

After winning the top prize at Cannes festival last year for his film, Shoplifters, the director Hirokazu Kore-ada went to work on a new project in France.

He had something quite different up his sleeve. It was to be set in a grand old Parisian home with a leafy garden, the domicile of someone rich and famous, and a world away from his impoverished band of thieves who live together as family on the fringes of society in Tokyo.

Actually, The Truth had been in development for some time with Juliette Binoche, the French star of renown. And Kore-ada had a screenplay to polish up and already one or two other actors in mind. American actor Ethan Hawke (Before Sunrise trilogy), who is an ease in French language cinema, for starters.

Lumir (Juliette Binoche) and Hank (Ethan Hawke) with daughter Charlotte (Clementine Grenier)

Kore-ada’s other idea was getting Catherine Deneuve on board. An icon of French cinema since the 1960s, Deneuve is an imposing 76 years old, with a leonine head of hair and a ‘don’t-even-think-about-it’ expression on her classic features.

He wanted her for the character Fabienne, an ageing film star still performing who is estranged from her screenwriter daughter, Lumir (Binoche), who lives in New York. Things come to a head when Lumir returns to France to celebrate the publication of her mother’s memoir.

A French person would never think of that. That’s wild

How did Kore-ada get the two of them, Binoche and Deneuve, in their first ever collaboration on screen?

‘I was developing this with Juliette Binoche for years. When I suggested that we ask Catherine Deneuve to play the mother, Juliette said it would be a big challenge for her, as well as a great honour.

‘When I told the French staff it was the direction I wanted to go in, they came back and said, you know, a French person would never think of that. That’s wild.’

Wild, indeed. Yet there is ample space for both onscreen in this subtle, layered family drama. The Truth is an intriguing double act with two iconic French actors, a generation apart, who share the screen. Ethan Hawke is there too, as Hank, Lumir’s husband, a TV actor as often at rehab as he is in work.

What was it like working with Deneuve? ‘She will always be able to give you the take you want,’ says Kore-ada. ‘The really interesting thing is that she knows when she has given it to you. She’ll have a moment of inspiration, then, bang, it will come out, and she’ll tell you “oh, that was the one”’.

I have read elsewhere that she tends not to arrive on set until noon and prefers to work in Paris, though Kore-ada does not mention this.

Bringing a child into the world is not enough to make you a parent

In The Truth, Binoche and Deneuve each play both a mother and a daughter at different points. Lumir has arrived with her daughter Charlotte (Clementine Grenier) and Fabienne’s current role is as a daughter in a time-travelling story, ‘Memories of My Mother’, a tale with a far-fetched plot that pokes a bit of fun at the high seriousness of science fiction.

The beauty of Kore-ada’s films is their exploration of family, family in its many manifestations, family with blood ties and ‘families’ without. He has observed that one of his major realisations in life is that bringing a child into the world is not enough to make you a parent, and that the concept of family needs constant reaffirmation. Will he continue exploring this fundamental human relationship?

‘It’s one of those subjects that you never arrive at a final definitive answer.’ But we shall see.

Kore-ada, incidentally, speaks neither English nor French. This interview a couple of weeks ago was conducted through an interpreter.

How is it possible to make a film in France when you don’t speak French, or English? Kore-ada works closely with his Japanese-French speaking translator, Lea Le Dimna, who he met at the Marrakech film festival. ‘In the past five years since I met her, I’ve consistently hired her services.’ Her familiarity with how Kore-ada communicates his working methods has made her indispensable.

How did he find it working with a French cast and crew? ‘One of the key differences working with French people is that they pretty much say what they think and tell you face to face, whereas if you are Japanese you might hold back, and stay silent about those things.

‘I was sort of aware of that difference and wanted to incorporate it, that they would say what they think, and that much is a very integral part of this film.’

It’s such an interesting observation that seems to fit with the observation that Shoplifters offers another perspective on the official narrative about well-being in Japanese family and society.

I suggest that The Truth plays with the naked truth, the embellished truth and the unspoken truth, while it develops a recognition of the position that each character is coming from.

‘You’re absolutely right,’ he says, to general laughter. It’s more important than agreeing on the truth.

‘The story as I approached it was that there was this daughter who was to confront her mother with the truth. Whatever it was. Yet when she recounts her own history, she realises there are other truths or things that have been glossed over.

‘So, that’s the account I really wanted to cover. That she does have these moments where the trick is that the truth is actually less important than finding out where she stood in relation to her mother.’

‘In the story, it is the performance that actually helps heal those gaps.’

The Truth was selected to open the Venice International Film Festival in August this year. It opens in Australia on Boxing Day.

First published in the Canberra Times on 7 December 2019